"Nothing...obvious. I'd train or duel until I couldn't think, or practice things that hurt - dislocating my thumbs and my shoulders for escaping restraints, even when that hadn't been a real risk for years. Nothing I had to admit was about me."
He blows out a rough breath.
"Fives and I are already working each other over with excessive dueling practice. I think I've got him mostly worn out, but it isn't enough."
"Can I play with your hair while we talk, or is it better if I don't just yet?" This is him working consciously on the level of consent-communication they're going to need to do this safely. "I know that's not what you're asking about, but-"
A boundary articulated out loud from Jedao is a rare and precious thing, so he doesn't make a fuss about it- rearranges the plate, rearranges the pillows, and settles in to let Jedao curl up to him.
"Sadomasochistic sex. That's what I know most about, so that's where I'm inclined to start, even if we don't fuck while I'm hurting you."
"I like it. But only sometimes, and I couldn't exactly schedule flings around my moods. Command didn't allow me much leave. And I couldn't - let myself go very deep. Let anyone see that I had anything to be upset about, for me to need - that kind of. Intensity. Bondage was safer. I could let go without betraying myself."
He tips his head onto Quentin's shoulder, fingers tugging at his own pant cuffs, frustrated with himself, feeling like he ought to be more helpful, but not sure how.
"It wasn't - properly a plan. Just...screaming, white-out, rest. I like the image of being whipped but it probably wouldn't actually break me. And the marks would cause problems. Same for knives."
He touches Quentin's ankle, small strokes with his fingertips.
"Mostly I was just thinking that if you hated the idea, you'd be okay to tell me no."
"-would it upset Fives? I won't keep secrets from him, but I don't mind not explaining the full extent of what's happening to you that doesn't leave cuts or bruises."
He knows it, and part of him already resents Fives for it, for the sheer hypocrisy of treasuring the burns Jedao put on him while being so perturbed by seeing Jedao hurt. It's not kind, it's not fair, it makes perfect sense if Jedao steps away from it. It's not like Jedao didn't know what he was getting into, for all Fives' bravado about being equals off the battlefield. He's thirteen years old and Jedao is his general. Weakness isn't a luxury Fives can always afford him, and it's a small enough sacrifice for everything Fives has given him.
But he has too much skullfucked time here. He can't just box things up and crush them into the pit and focus on the next battle like he used to be able to. It all spills out, bleeds out, crawls through his cracks like a tide of ants. He needs - scouring, before it all nibbles him to down to the bone. Before he does something worse and it doesn't even work.
"I know I should just. Handle it. But I don't. I don't know." How.
"So I do know a little about this, because my best friend was super into it. I lack experience, but have what you could call a pretty healthy theoretical grounding."
He explains, quietly, lips against the top of his head.
"But what worries me, is this. In our time on earth it's usually paired with a fair amount of power exchange. Of dominance and submission. And I know you've got some buttons there that we probably don't want to push right now. It means we have to be extremely careful how we craft what we're about to do."
"I don't know what's complicated about just not doing what you tell me," Jedao says, even as his body sags a little against Quentin in silent relief. "And then not being made to regret it. But if you want to be careful, we can be careful."
"There's like, this point five band range of things you are naive about, and this is in it."
Says Quentin, arms folding tight around him, just for a heartbeat.
"But I'll get you through it. So- what I need, is for you to have three safewords. A silent one, for when you're gagged, one that means stop everything get me down and one to mean the thing you're doing isn't good but if you readjust we should keep going."
"If we're being careful, maybe you just shouldn't gag me," Jedao points out, which he considers his good-faith contribution to the entire concept of caution, even though the immersion of being gagged sounds wonderful.
He holds up his right hand as if he were gripping a throwing knife, thumb against the tips of his index and middle fingers, fourth finger and pinky tucked against his palm. Sword and gun grips would be more instinctive but less distinctive for Quentin to see, and his hand won't forget this one either. He considers the longer gesture of a grip flip, but that seems unnecessarily complicated.
"Abort." Canceling a mission gone wrong will play better with his panic response, if he has one, than admitting a weakness. "Roses."
"If I'm doing magic on you, I can't be sure that soundproofing charms won't interact with them."
He supplies, quietly, by way of explanation.
"And I think I need to do a lot of magic to run this effectively. I also think I don't have the personality to punish you for failing to follow orders. I'd rather just- be something that happens to you that you can't control."
"Yes," Jedao agrees, reaching for one of Quentin's hands, thumb stroking up his metacarpals to the knuckles, smiling a little, although his face is still out of view for Quentin, tucked together the way they are.
"We don't need the provocation game," Jedao explains, fondness mostly obscuring the way this seems obvious to him. "I asked."
Asking means he trusts Quentin to give it to him, or at least not to withhold it as power play. Asking means Jedao wants more from Quentin than what he can manipulate out of him.
There's a long few beats where Jedao just keeps touching Quentin's hand, knuckles digging for a little while into Quentin's palm, massaging the disproportionate magician's muscles there.
"This isn't working is easy. I need to stop is harder, but I'm better at it than I used to be. This is the thing I'm scared of, you could use this to destroy me, that's hardest, even when I'm calm." Although he did it once, with Quentin, with nothing but a ragged scrap of sneering contempt to cover the horror of it: I'm afraid of the dark.
Although he still doesn't have the courage to draw attention to it.
"I've...done things here I didn't want to, because I was scared. Not during sex, but still." Here meaning, on the barge; here meaning, with someone who would never have asked it of him if he hadn't compulsively hidden how he could be so easily hurt. "But I was a lot more guarded with him than I am with you. As long as I remember it's you, as long as I don't have to - explain stopping." He thinks he could do it.
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Date: 2018-08-04 12:38 pm (UTC)He agrees, and settles in next to him, putting the plate on the bed so they can both pick at it.
"Does that mean this is the first time you've talked to a partner about doing this on purpose?"
Making himself comfortable too, tucking a pillow down under the small of his back.
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Date: 2018-08-04 12:45 pm (UTC)He wants to rub the faint scars on his wrists, so easy to miss compared to all the flashier ones. He doesn't.
"I didn't trust anyone enough for that, anyway."
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Date: 2018-08-04 01:58 pm (UTC)Says Quentin, and ducks his head a little, so he can meet his gaze, catch his attention.
"Have you ever hurt yourself on purpose when you were feeling upset or stressed?"
He's touched almost every inch of him, but never noticed the signs.
CW self harm, codependence?
Date: 2018-08-04 02:38 pm (UTC)He blows out a rough breath.
"Fives and I are already working each other over with excessive dueling practice. I think I've got him mostly worn out, but it isn't enough."
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Date: 2018-08-04 03:17 pm (UTC)Asks Quentin, and then pauses, checks,
"Can I play with your hair while we talk, or is it better if I don't just yet?" This is him working consciously on the level of consent-communication they're going to need to do this safely. "I know that's not what you're asking about, but-"
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Date: 2018-08-04 03:26 pm (UTC)"But if you sit closer I could lean on you."
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Date: 2018-08-04 03:33 pm (UTC)"Sadomasochistic sex. That's what I know most about, so that's where I'm inclined to start, even if we don't fuck while I'm hurting you."
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Date: 2018-08-04 03:47 pm (UTC)He tips his head onto Quentin's shoulder, fingers tugging at his own pant cuffs, frustrated with himself, feeling like he ought to be more helpful, but not sure how.
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Date: 2018-08-04 04:01 pm (UTC)He says, and lets out a breath, thinking through all the questions he could ask, and settling on;
"So tell me a snippet, of what you imagined when you thought of me last night?"
They're so close he can ask quietly, the most private secret imaginable.
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Date: 2018-08-04 04:13 pm (UTC)He touches Quentin's ankle, small strokes with his fingertips.
"Mostly I was just thinking that if you hated the idea, you'd be okay to tell me no."
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Date: 2018-08-04 04:14 pm (UTC)Echoes Quentin, and reaches down, running a thoughtful touch down his forearm. It's not a 'no,' but it is a reevaluation.
"You're looking for a catharsis?"
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Date: 2018-08-05 04:26 am (UTC)He says, absently, the realizes;
"-would it upset Fives? I won't keep secrets from him, but I don't mind not explaining the full extent of what's happening to you that doesn't leave cuts or bruises."
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Date: 2018-08-05 04:51 am (UTC)He knows it, and part of him already resents Fives for it, for the sheer hypocrisy of treasuring the burns Jedao put on him while being so perturbed by seeing Jedao hurt. It's not kind, it's not fair, it makes perfect sense if Jedao steps away from it. It's not like Jedao didn't know what he was getting into, for all Fives' bravado about being equals off the battlefield. He's thirteen years old and Jedao is his general. Weakness isn't a luxury Fives can always afford him, and it's a small enough sacrifice for everything Fives has given him.
But he has too much skullfucked time here. He can't just box things up and crush them into the pit and focus on the next battle like he used to be able to. It all spills out, bleeds out, crawls through his cracks like a tide of ants. He needs - scouring, before it all nibbles him to down to the bone. Before he does something worse and it doesn't even work.
"I know I should just. Handle it. But I don't. I don't know." How.
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Date: 2018-08-05 05:00 am (UTC)He explains, quietly, lips against the top of his head.
"But what worries me, is this. In our time on earth it's usually paired with a fair amount of power exchange. Of dominance and submission. And I know you've got some buttons there that we probably don't want to push right now. It means we have to be extremely careful how we craft what we're about to do."
But saying, right up front, what they will do.
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Date: 2018-08-05 05:19 am (UTC)Says Quentin, arms folding tight around him, just for a heartbeat.
"But I'll get you through it. So- what I need, is for you to have three safewords. A silent one, for when you're gagged, one that means stop everything get me down and one to mean the thing you're doing isn't good but if you readjust we should keep going."
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Date: 2018-08-05 05:41 am (UTC)He holds up his right hand as if he were gripping a throwing knife, thumb against the tips of his index and middle fingers, fourth finger and pinky tucked against his palm. Sword and gun grips would be more instinctive but less distinctive for Quentin to see, and his hand won't forget this one either. He considers the longer gesture of a grip flip, but that seems unnecessarily complicated.
"Abort." Canceling a mission gone wrong will play better with his panic response, if he has one, than admitting a weakness. "Roses."
Because fuck the Andan.
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Date: 2018-08-05 05:52 am (UTC)He supplies, quietly, by way of explanation.
"And I think I need to do a lot of magic to run this effectively. I also think I don't have the personality to punish you for failing to follow orders. I'd rather just- be something that happens to you that you can't control."
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Date: 2018-08-05 06:02 am (UTC)"We don't need the provocation game," Jedao explains, fondness mostly obscuring the way this seems obvious to him. "I asked."
Asking means he trusts Quentin to give it to him, or at least not to withhold it as power play. Asking means Jedao wants more from Quentin than what he can manipulate out of him.
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Date: 2018-08-05 06:13 am (UTC)He asks, still leaning against him, eyes now shutting.
"I can imagine us getting into trouble."
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Date: 2018-08-05 06:36 am (UTC)"This isn't working is easy. I need to stop is harder, but I'm better at it than I used to be. This is the thing I'm scared of, you could use this to destroy me, that's hardest, even when I'm calm." Although he did it once, with Quentin, with nothing but a ragged scrap of sneering contempt to cover the horror of it: I'm afraid of the dark.
Although he still doesn't have the courage to draw attention to it.
"I've...done things here I didn't want to, because I was scared. Not during sex, but still." Here meaning, on the barge; here meaning, with someone who would never have asked it of him if he hadn't compulsively hidden how he could be so easily hurt. "But I was a lot more guarded with him than I am with you. As long as I remember it's you, as long as I don't have to - explain stopping." He thinks he could do it.
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Date: 2018-08-05 06:54 am (UTC)Says Quentin, who never notices a single thing, but has a peculiar vault of information when it comes to the people who matter to him.
"I don't want to go to that kind of place."
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Date: 2018-08-05 07:02 am (UTC)Yes.
"Fear is - hard. Pain is easy. I don't want to be afraid. I don't even want to be coherent enough to be afraid."
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Date: 2018-08-05 07:14 am (UTC)He says, and reaches up to grip the nape of his neck.
"So now, or do you need some time to get ready for it?"
Squeezing just once, reassuring;
"And that includes, do you have time to spend a few hours with me afterwards? I will need aftercare."
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